Comments on: Vacana: Pilgrimages - 1 http://www.landoflime.com/archives/civilization/vacana-pilgrimages-1/ Haunting Pasts, Uncertain Present, Utopian Futures Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:32:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: M Girish http://www.landoflime.com/archives/civilization/vacana-pilgrimages-1/#comment-27 M Girish Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:11:20 +0000 http://www.landoflime.com/?p=32#comment-27 Prithvi, I do not think that you were/are trying to ignore other discourses and social movements. I was wondering about the basis of selection, but then you have addressed that when you said that you will be writing an essay about the same. I cannot disagree or argue with the intellect of the Vacanas you have quoted [or any of the Vacanas], but a religious interpretation of them would require submission, and your interpretations are not religious. Analysis and assessment of the Vacanas’ historical or current value [in my mind] relieves their dogmatic value. My question was the basis of declaring the Vacanas to be a moral compass; it seems that there should be a reason for the choice, a reason to say that that Vacanas stand above why it has to submit to dogma and why it can rise above it in the way alternative existential preaching has not. I say this because every preaching in its fundamental sense can be interpreted to be above dogma. Prithvi, I do not think that you were/are trying to ignore other discourses and social movements. I was wondering about the basis of selection, but then you have addressed that when you said that you will be writing an essay about the same.

I cannot disagree or argue with the intellect of the Vacanas you have quoted [or any of the Vacanas], but a religious interpretation of them would require submission, and your interpretations are not religious. Analysis and assessment of the Vacanas’ historical or current value [in my mind] relieves their dogmatic value. My question was the basis of declaring the Vacanas to be a moral compass; it seems that there should be a reason for the choice, a reason to say that that Vacanas stand above why it has to submit to dogma and why it can rise above it in the way alternative existential preaching has not. I say this because every preaching in its fundamental sense can be interpreted to be above dogma.

]]> By: chandrashines http://www.landoflime.com/archives/civilization/vacana-pilgrimages-1/#comment-26 chandrashines Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:23:30 +0000 http://www.landoflime.com/?p=32#comment-26 Giri, recognizing 'vacana' as a moral compass for LOL, to think about issues such as pilgrimages and building ropeways or cable cars isn't to ignore other discourses and social movements. in so far as the signifance of the vacanas themselves is concerned, i want to say the monograph i am working on at the moment would respond to some of your concerns but it is also time we have a long chat about that. let me here just say that the four vacanas that i chose in fact offer a radical critique of much of our social practices. consider the final vacana by Allama, which advocates attaining a state of being where one is beyond results, which compels us to go beyond pilgrimages or even acts of charity and compassion. What Allama demands of us is to remove instrumentality from our lives. what can be more radical than that, given the fact that allama isn't even advocating the kind of devotion that Dasimayya seeks. anyway, give me a month. i will have three or four substantial postings on these themes. Giri, recognizing ‘vacana’ as a moral compass for LOL, to think about issues such as pilgrimages and building ropeways or cable cars isn’t to ignore other discourses and social movements. in so far as the signifance of the vacanas themselves is concerned, i want to say the monograph i am working on at the moment would respond to some of your concerns but it is also time we have a long chat about that. let me here just say that the four vacanas that i chose in fact offer a radical critique of much of our social practices. consider the final vacana by Allama, which advocates attaining a state of being where one is beyond results, which compels us to go beyond pilgrimages or even acts of charity and compassion. What Allama demands of us is to remove instrumentality from our lives. what can be more radical than that, given the fact that allama isn’t even advocating the kind of devotion that Dasimayya seeks. anyway, give me a month. i will have three or four substantial postings on these themes.

]]> By: M Girish http://www.landoflime.com/archives/civilization/vacana-pilgrimages-1/#comment-24 M Girish Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:11:00 +0000 http://www.landoflime.com/?p=32#comment-24 Prithvi, please do not get me wrong, but why, why are Vacanas the moral compass to LOL? Surely intellectual thinking (like you posses so vastly) will not limit you to anything [let alone Vacanas]. Why should you base vastness of thought against [the basis of one form of] intellectual [albeit narrowly defined] argument? Why do you think that your friends limit you and think that you have to articulate the significance of the Vacanas? Why are the Vacanas significant or more significant than other social movements [or attempts at social decree]? Prithvi, please do not get me wrong, but why, why are Vacanas the moral compass to LOL? Surely intellectual thinking (like you posses so vastly) will not limit you to anything [let alone Vacanas]. Why should you base vastness of thought against [the basis of one form of] intellectual [albeit narrowly defined] argument?

Why do you think that your friends limit you and think that you have to articulate the significance of the Vacanas? Why are the Vacanas significant or more significant than other social movements [or attempts at social decree]?

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